tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post1027903358634046328..comments2024-03-25T15:10:13.792+00:00Comments on English Buildings: Petworth, SussexPhilip Wilkinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04893714514416441572noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-3063357783546425002023-01-29T17:17:19.945+00:002023-01-29T17:17:19.945+00:00To me the inside of the helmet is an Octopus’s ten...To me the inside of the helmet is an Octopus’s tentacle, representing the long and fearless reach of the Royal Navy ?? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-1728345999849985242011-11-30T21:52:00.979+00:002011-11-30T21:52:00.979+00:00Am I not the only one seeing visions of HP Lovecra...Am I not the only one seeing visions of HP Lovecraft in this? Two columns of flesh wearing Roman uniforms. I realise that these pre-date HPL by some time, but still it's odd. I grew up in Petworth and still have friends and family there. lovely part of the country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-73058251875898823362011-01-08T08:58:11.063+00:002011-01-08T08:58:11.063+00:00Thank you, Kate. Feel free to poke around - and if...Thank you, Kate. Feel free to poke around - and if you have any comments, leave them where I can find them!Philip Wilkinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893714514416441572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-64238460215906633442011-01-08T02:00:35.123+00:002011-01-08T02:00:35.123+00:00I found you from To Discover Ice. I love your sit...I found you from To Discover Ice. I love your site. I’m going to poke around a little bit, but don’t worry I’ll put everything back where I found it!!Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04861565626815452648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-6387782664634225372011-01-07T17:09:16.543+00:002011-01-07T17:09:16.543+00:00Oh, very good, Wartime Housewife. That'll be c...Oh, very good, Wartime Housewife. That'll be curly kale in the crest of the helmet, then?Philip Wilkinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893714514416441572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-45950181113930199222011-01-07T17:06:28.183+00:002011-01-07T17:06:28.183+00:00In the first picture, the helmet is clearly mounte...In the first picture, the helmet is clearly mounted on a stalk of sprouts. The Roman army was famed for its insistence on 5-a-day and you will find several discreet monuments around the country displaying and exemplifying their love of brassicas.Wartime Housewifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13337425530017564079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-579736520847767072011-01-07T11:38:03.415+00:002011-01-07T11:38:03.415+00:00Valentin: Yes, an allusion to a Roman triumph does...Valentin: Yes, an allusion to a Roman triumph does spring to mind - I'd not thought about the tree trunks being battle-scarred, which is a good point. I'd hoped that this post would throw up some interesting suggestions, and so it is proving!Philip Wilkinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893714514416441572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-60889846217567789382011-01-07T11:31:48.242+00:002011-01-07T11:31:48.242+00:00The trophy sculpture looks to my layman eye on the...The trophy sculpture looks to my layman eye on the borderline between late north European Renaissance and Baroque. It is most probably inspired from representations of Roman battlefield trophies seen on coins or sculptures (I studied Trajan's conquest of Dacia in Roman visual arts and these trophies abound on his monuments and coins related to that event). The tree trunk on which the war spoils were displayed in Roman representations is itself a casualty of the battle- scorched and damaged by fire and scrum and that is why it appears in that strange, unnatural state seen in this wonderful example from Petworth. Those e trophies displayed on the gate piers are probably there to tell the visitor that the founder of the house or some other ancestor has won important battles or is a war hero...<br />Thanks for opening the 'gates' of imagination by bringing those details to our attention.<br />ValentinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-57458734735846229392011-01-07T10:07:05.030+00:002011-01-07T10:07:05.030+00:00Bazza: Yes, the art collection is the most interes...Bazza: Yes, the art collection is the most interesting thing about the house, really. One of the owners was a generous patron of the arts, and Turner was a major beneficiary of this patronage. The oil sketches he did of Petworth interiors are like nothing else he did, as far as I know.Philip Wilkinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893714514416441572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-77232557964164798062011-01-07T09:57:35.800+00:002011-01-07T09:57:35.800+00:00I am familiar with Petworth through the work of JM...I am familiar with Petworth through the work of JMW Turner who made some fine views of and in the house. However I have never been there; perhaps it's time I did! I understand there are other fine interior carvings as well as this intriguing piece.bazzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14794010156639774028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-86900924903791993952011-01-07T09:14:48.005+00:002011-01-07T09:14:48.005+00:00François-Marc: Yes, Dost does sound like a Flemish...François-Marc: Yes, Dost does sound like a Flemish name (as is Vanbrugh, which contemporaries sometimes wrote as two words, 'Van Brugh' and variants thereon), and I'd guess that his family came to Dijon back in the days when Burgundy and Flanders were linked politically. Petworth is basically a late-17th century house, but its design seems to be more influenced by the generation of Wren than of Vanbrugh. So I'd put the gate piers slightly later than the main house, but I'm only guessing.Philip Wilkinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893714514416441572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-35927524025736772572011-01-06T23:42:07.543+00:002011-01-06T23:42:07.543+00:00I would suggest that the name "Dost" is ...I would suggest that the name "Dost" is more likely to be of Dutch/Flemish origin than French, but were not Flanders part of the Dukes of Burgundy's domains (of which Dijon would be a part), at least during the XVth century (until Charles the Bold of Burgundy was defeated by Louis XI of France)? Cf. Walter Scott's "Quentin Durward" which I read as a boy in a French translation...It is frustrating not to have a date for the piers. Vanbrugh himself had Dutch/Flemish ancestors, did he not? When was Petworth built? My ignorance is not worthy of your blog, which is always stimulating. Happy New Year!<br />François-Marc ChaballierAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-29707505669531801952011-01-06T16:45:03.836+00:002011-01-06T16:45:03.836+00:00Viniogirl: Yes, I see what you mean about the date...Viniogirl: Yes, I see what you mean about the date palm - the carving does look rather like the scarred trunk of this kind of tree. And thank you for teaching me a new word - abscission scars, I'll remember those!Philip Wilkinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893714514416441572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4228081722487474323.post-14224642067005276782011-01-06T16:40:22.487+00:002011-01-06T16:40:22.487+00:00Great post. Don't you think the 'trunk...Great post. Don't you think the 'trunk' resembles a (date) palm a little? Y'know, as they grow tall and the older fronds die/or are cut off, leaving behind abscission scars on the trunk that then exhibit a particularly unique pattern.Vinogirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10145696108646897751noreply@blogger.com